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oceanicsteam:

Lookit these people, just lookit! And what the hell is with “Catholics and Christians”, shows how docile they are, whoever made this obviously still isn’t willing to accept the Catholics as full Christians or vice versa. Which is also kind of odd since the Catholic church, much like the Eastern Orthodox church, considers themselves the one true Christian church, being the church founded by Paul after he was told by god to do so on Vatican hill; while the Orthodox church considers themselves the one true church descended from Jesus himself. Also, it appeals to American’s lack of any knowledge of the world we run beyond our own borders in the fact Father Vera wasn’t just shot for being a priest like it was the Soviet Union in 1935. After the Mexican revolution of 1917, the new constitution tried to enshrine a strong separation of church and state, the most contentious part being a ban on public displays of religious practices. This of course did not sit well with many in deeply Catholic Mexico at the time. So literal armed rebellion broke out, which we now call the Cristero War.
It should be of note that if any president has ever killed a religious figure, it’s the glorious communist comrade Ronald Reagan. His and other conservatives in the US enthusiastic and material support of people like Roberto D’Aubuiss in the Salvadoran civil war, along with his glorious death squads, lead to the assassination of bishop Oscar Romero(Oddly enough to bring it full circle Obama visited his memorial), and probably many lower level priests as well. People forget in the US because social issues are such a wedge, that the Catholic church, and in fact most Churches outside of some Protestant ones here are pretty god damn liberal, like literal socialists. The Catholic church and the Pope has and continues to rail against growing wealth inequality and the need for a fairer redistribution of it. The Church officially recognized the right for people to organize into unions as policy way back in the 19th century. Even here after the short lived love affair between the GOP and Catholic church over birth control mandates, Catholic theologians went to blasting Paul Ryan’s budget as robin hood for the rich since he said his Catholic faith helped inspire him in creating it. Also to the irk of many conservatives they are very pro science. Let’s not forget the Big Bang theory was conceived by a Catholic bishop. The church fully basically fully accepts evolution(which means disowning the Book of Gensis as a literal story) under the guise that God created the universe and had a guiding hand in it. The Vatican has their own observatory that releases respect cosmological papers, and the head of said observatory said not only can intelligent alien life exist, they may be free of original sin. They held a conference in 2009 to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin to strengthen their science credentials. They’re a huge lobby in trying to cut carbon emissions before global warming screws us all. Heck, even in the Galileo fiasco, people forget the Vatican didn’t censor him just for suggesting the Earth went around the Sun. The church said it was a very real possibility that needed further investigation. The problem was Galileo published another book that not only said as fact the solar system was Helio centric, but had what was perceived to be a snub to the Pope in it. Now if only they could stop molesting little boys and getting involved in social issues.

Well in reality the laws about Church and State separation were in Mexico since the so called “Reform war” before the Porfiriato era,  is just that this fact is often overshadowed by the French Invasion and the Empire of Maximiliano of Hasburgo.
What Calles did was more in the line of the socialist decree of religion=opium, and proceed to forcibly close Churches all along the country, and while indeed there was interest from the Catholic church, Cristeros were mostly fighting for their right of going to church, marry and baptize their children whiout having to hide from the goverment, as the law supposely allowed them to, because the law escifically declares: Freedom of cult and religion, and takes from all Priest´s the right to vote or be voted in any public place inside goverment. An yes, Calles indeed killed   Priests and faithful ppl alike, one of the most famous is Father Pro, a jesuit who was calling for peace between his faithful. 
After the Second Cristeros war, President Ávila Camacho, who was catholic himself, called for stoping the more strict laws on the Church without giving back Church privileges. The Vatican refused to keep relations with Mexico until Pope Juan Pablo II travel to Mexico.  And the Goverment sort of erased any info about the Cristeros war from school books and if there was, it was very biased. 
You can check more about the Cristeros War with the book of Jean Meyer called “La Crisitiada”. 
For “greater glory” tends to oversimply things, those never are a good source of info about politically delicate themes like this. 
And I agree about Cristians, Catholics and our very bad habit of fighting between ourselves and with other religions just because of politics,  and to so easily forget that Jesus Crist was the first one to talk about “give the Cesar what is of the Cesar and give God what is of God”. 

oceanicsteam:

Lookit these people, just lookit! And what the hell is with “Catholics and Christians”, shows how docile they are, whoever made this obviously still isn’t willing to accept the Catholics as full Christians or vice versa. Which is also kind of odd since the Catholic church, much like the Eastern Orthodox church, considers themselves the one true Christian church, being the church founded by Paul after he was told by god to do so on Vatican hill; while the Orthodox church considers themselves the one true church descended from Jesus himself. Also, it appeals to American’s lack of any knowledge of the world we run beyond our own borders in the fact Father Vera wasn’t just shot for being a priest like it was the Soviet Union in 1935. After the Mexican revolution of 1917, the new constitution tried to enshrine a strong separation of church and state, the most contentious part being a ban on public displays of religious practices. This of course did not sit well with many in deeply Catholic Mexico at the time. So literal armed rebellion broke out, which we now call the Cristero War.

It should be of note that if any president has ever killed a religious figure, it’s the glorious communist comrade Ronald Reagan. His and other conservatives in the US enthusiastic and material support of people like Roberto D’Aubuiss in the Salvadoran civil war, along with his glorious death squads, lead to the assassination of bishop Oscar Romero(Oddly enough to bring it full circle Obama visited his memorial), and probably many lower level priests as well. People forget in the US because social issues are such a wedge, that the Catholic church, and in fact most Churches outside of some Protestant ones here are pretty god damn liberal, like literal socialists. The Catholic church and the Pope has and continues to rail against growing wealth inequality and the need for a fairer redistribution of it. The Church officially recognized the right for people to organize into unions as policy way back in the 19th century. Even here after the short lived love affair between the GOP and Catholic church over birth control mandates, Catholic theologians went to blasting Paul Ryan’s budget as robin hood for the rich since he said his Catholic faith helped inspire him in creating it. Also to the irk of many conservatives they are very pro science. Let’s not forget the Big Bang theory was conceived by a Catholic bishop. The church fully basically fully accepts evolution(which means disowning the Book of Gensis as a literal story) under the guise that God created the universe and had a guiding hand in it. The Vatican has their own observatory that releases respect cosmological papers, and the head of said observatory said not only can intelligent alien life exist, they may be free of original sin. They held a conference in 2009 to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin to strengthen their science credentials. They’re a huge lobby in trying to cut carbon emissions before global warming screws us all. Heck, even in the Galileo fiasco, people forget the Vatican didn’t censor him just for suggesting the Earth went around the Sun. The church said it was a very real possibility that needed further investigation. The problem was Galileo published another book that not only said as fact the solar system was Helio centric, but had what was perceived to be a snub to the Pope in it. Now if only they could stop molesting little boys and getting involved in social issues.

Well in reality the laws about Church and State separation were in Mexico since the so called “Reform war” before the Porfiriato era,  is just that this fact is often overshadowed by the French Invasion and the Empire of Maximiliano of Hasburgo.

What Calles did was more in the line of the socialist decree of religion=opium, and proceed to forcibly close Churches all along the country, and while indeed there was interest from the Catholic church, Cristeros were mostly fighting for their right of going to church, marry and baptize their children whiout having to hide from the goverment, as the law supposely allowed them to, because the law escifically declares: Freedom of cult and religion, and takes from all Priest´s the right to vote or be voted in any public place inside goverment. An yes, Calles indeed killed   Priests and faithful ppl alike, one of the most famous is Father Pro, a jesuit who was calling for peace between his faithful. 

After the Second Cristeros war, President Ávila Camacho, who was catholic himself, called for stoping the more strict laws on the Church without giving back Church privileges. The Vatican refused to keep relations with Mexico until Pope Juan Pablo II travel to Mexico.  And the Goverment sort of erased any info about the Cristeros war from school books and if there was, it was very biased. 

You can check more about the Cristeros War with the book of Jean Meyer called “La Crisitiada”. 

For “greater glory” tends to oversimply things, those never are a good source of info about politically delicate themes like this. 

And I agree about Cristians, Catholics and our very bad habit of fighting between ourselves and with other religions just because of politics,  and to so easily forget that Jesus Crist was the first one to talk about “give the Cesar what is of the Cesar and give God what is of God”. 

El 24 de noviembre de 2000 Vicente Fox tuvo una última encerrona con su jefe de asesores, Ramón Muñoz. Faltaban 18 horas para que el aún entonces presidente electo presentara en el Museo de San Carlos a los miembros de su gabinete social y económico, y no existía definición sobre el titular de la Secretaría de Desarrollo Social. 

Muñoz revisaba los currículos de una decena de personajes. Se había prometido integrar un gabinete plural, así que se barajaba un espectro que iba de Santiago Levy a Julio Boltvinik, de Carlos Jarque a Enrique del Val, de Teresa García de Madero a Cecilia Soto y Patricia Olamendi. Hasta la hora de la comida no hubo acuerdo. Fox palomeó de pronto el nombre de una economista desconocida: Josefina Vázquez Mota.

La Historia de la carrera política de josefina vázquez mota

alegart:

Primero que nada, perdon si estan hartos de tanta politica, las redes sociales son la mayor fuente de informacion ahorita… pense en postear esto. Esta muy interesante, a nuestra generacion ya no se le puede esconder lo que realmente pasa dentro de Mexico. Chequenlo, piensen bien por quien van a votar estas elecciones. :(

Spanish post oh my.

Por eso voy a votar por el PAN, gran parte de los ex-priistas de viejo régimen se fueron al PRD y Obrador es uno de ellos. :(

sentimientosdesgastados:

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sentimientosdesgastados:

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My post is an excerpt from a critique by historian Rodolfo Acuña. Andy Garcia was one of his students. You should read the entire thing. The link is in the headline of my post.

Thanks. Sorry I wasn´t trying to criticize you, just explain more profoundly what was happening :)

Ok, read it well, I would have said the same things, we still have serious divisions because of left and right political sides and way of thinking, and Mr Rodolfo Acuña is positively left, especially when he talks about Castro. I do like his analysis but you can´t just paint all Cristeros under the same brush when all this political and international intrigue is going on. And any State that exercises this kind of violence towards civilians, armed and unarmed, should respond for their actions, left like in Mexico or right in Spain, it doesn´t matter which side. 

afroxander:

In my view, “For Greater Glory” must be put into historical context. The Cristeros War (1926-1929) was a rebellion against the Mexican government’s attempt to secularize the country. The Cristeros were not calling for religious freedom for Protestants or Jews. It was inspired by the Catholic hierarchy that eventually sold out the peasants. At issue was the enforcement of the Mexican Constitution. 

If Calles was a Stalin or a Hitler then isn’t it logical that Benito Juárez was also a Stalin and a Hitler? Why do we celebrate Cinco de Mayo?

Peasant revolts are not always progressive especially when agitated by special interests. 

Next, Enrique Gorostieta Velarde, the general played by García, was not an idealist 

He was anti-clerical liberal and a 33rd degree Mason. His decision to head a rebellion was for money and personal ambition. He was paid 3000 pesos a month (about $1500), twice what a Mexican general received, and given a $20,000 life insurance policy for his wife. A hefty sum that the peasants could not have paid him. 

The fame of the Cristeros rests on myth. In 2005, Benedict XVI beatified 13 martyrs from the Cristero War that the movie amply romanticizes. One of these martyrs was Father Miguel Pro whose life deserves serious study. He was executed on November 22, 1927. Pro was a Jesuit, an order that at the time enjoyed special status with the Vatican. 

Though Pro was popular among some sectors he was not the popular figure portrayed in the movie, which does not mean that he was not sincere. 

Plutarco Elías Calles did vigorously enforce the anti-Catholic provisions of the 1917 Constitution, but he was hardly implementing the “Calles Law.”

Pro caught the imagination of readers through British author Graham Greene’s novel “The Power and the Glory” (1940). Hollywood made it into a movie called: “The Fugitive” (1947) with Henry Fonda. The movie mythicized Pro; Fonda made him highly human although fictional character.

In the last analysis, given García’s political history and biases, I could not expect more of the film. It is as simplistic as his crusade to prevent the return Elián González to his father.

I have yet to see the film but I agree with you about the historical context, I really wasnt expecting more from a movie because they tend to  keep things simple. 

On the other hand, I think you need to know a little more about the difference between Juarez secularism and Calles. In  the first place, while Juarez had little patience for priests, or for any liberal that didn´t want to follow him btw, he was very much  catholic, his daughter married the catholic way, he married the same way and was even taugh at schools conduced by catholics. And is innocent to think liberals were only thinking about people or enforcing laws when they took out the privilegies of the church, they took those beneficies for themselves, specially fuero, politicians can´t  be held accountable for their actions by the supreme court of the nation without taking from them the fuero, as the Priests used to do before them. 

5 of may:  I think, is more a cause of pride for the ppl of Puebla and General Zaragoza than for Juarez leadership, the military was seriously divided at the time because of liberales and Conservadores fight for power, so the  army went for help between the ppl, their wapons were stones, things from farms and some artillery from the army that was used some 20 years ago, and with that they fought  an army that was considered at the time , “the most strong and powerfull army in the world” and won. 

In the case of the reform war, yes, Church was indeed messing with ppl and goverment alike and the Cristeros war could be considered a second part of this, but IMO, at the same time, it  was different, very different. 

Now Calles wasnt simply just enforcing laws, and this is a little known fact because the goverment hide the majority of evidence, Jean Meyer had to go an talk directly to the survivors of the cristeros war and to the national archive to know well what exactly happened, and he was very much opposed to the Cristeros. 

Calles ordered out of the country under death penalty any foreing Priest. Every local Priest was forced to stop giving mass, and if they did they were killed, father Pro was personally killed in front of Calles by Calles express order.  So the people had to hide to go to church, marry or to baptise their children, all the bajio region of Mexico still has little tunels in which so called “Cristeros” did this. 

Not happy with this, Calles called for a church controlled by the state as a replacement for the catholic one, The Vatican kind of supported the cristeros but didnt really go out their way to help, Protestants from USA personally help Calles economically to keep his “war” agaisnt Catholics. People that had in their person religious images,  were tortured or killed, those are the martyrs from the Cristeros war. Of course, as a response, some extremist Cristeros  attaked teachers who taught socialism at local schools. And yes, both sides bought weapons from USA, as always. 

After three years and millions of deaths, both the goverment and the Cristeros agreed on stoping the fight if the ppl gave up their weapons and if the goverment took out the more extreme “laws” of secularity, and they did, but some time after, People that were part of the Cristeros started to suffer some myterious “accidents” very regularly, of course this caused a second cristeros war, and this time even the Catholic church didnt want to be part of this, this one was just fought by the Criteros alone, and this war is even less known than the first one. 

Things didn´t calm down until President Ávila Camacho  called to stop the more strict laws on churches, without taking out secularism or giving the church their privileges back. The Vatican refused to keep relations with Mexico until Pope Juan Pablo II first trip to Mexico. 

Now this time on Mexican history was basically erased from schools and people who know abut it, dont like talking about it. With all that happened, this matter isnt simply a case of a greedy catholic church vs a State that symply wanted to keep “Law and Order”, Calles really came very close to soviet Union tactics in keeping people from exercising their right of religion. 

Those are my thoughts on this, I think we really will not know for sure why things went so out of control, both sides had a part of right and wrong. I just see this a yet another great tragedy in Mexican History. 

I myself am Catholic,Mexican, daughter of teachers and my grandma suffered the Cristeros war as a child, we have a proverb: “One is not a good cristian or catholic if one supports clerical order “, it makes sense to us, and even I have listen to some Priests who agree with this :) 

hektico:

chautla. mexico-puebla

hektico:

chautla. mexico-puebla

Viva México

amct:

Comentario de un lector tomado de un artículo de El Norte. 18. como te voy a creer amlo mty - Si eres político nacido y amañado en el PRI? (viejo o nuevo, es igual) 2.- si te saliste del PRI cuando te quitaron la ubre para seguir succionando del presupuesto? 3.- Si traicionaste a quien te acogió…

gracias por el link!

De nada :)